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RE: Trillianes, Lim walk out - Sforza - 11-29-2007
Lord_Leperman Wrote:I think this curfew is necessary to sort things out.
Its only necessary only for 1 night.
Yes you're absolutely right! If there was no curfew I'm sure the military wouldn't be able to tell rebellious tanks and military trucks from normal cars on the expressways. I'm sure Metro Manila is going to be crawling with rebellious soldiers when I get up in the morning, because they're so stealthy that the there hasn't even been a single mention of any unauthorized troop movement anywhere in the country.
I'm also sure that the entire country will be destabilized by raging leftists if not for the curfew, which is why the government was right in once again impinging on my constitutionally guaranteed right to free movement and liberty.
Quote:Trillanes just wanted to leave the court house instead of going through due process so he can escape the clutches of the law.
There is Jurisprudence on allowing an elected Senators to attend his own hearing, because the fact that he was elected after he was charged means that the people are willing to overlook the discretion. While we're on the topic of the the judiciary, might I remind you that this is the very same judicial system that allowed the freedom of a convicted plunderer while I personally know people that have waited for three years in prison for their minor estafa trials to start?
Might I also remind you that the legislative body is a separate and co-equal body of the government in relation with the judiciary? Again, it's in the constitution.
So excuse me but I, and all the other registered voters who put him in office expect him to be present at Senate hearings. I also don't give a f*ck about what he does in his spare time, so before quoting the law make sure you know the law first. I do think he's being an attention whore though, but it's his idealism, policy and agenda that was worth voting for in the first place.
Quote:The media are overreacting over the arrest of their fellow media personnel, and are bitching about it.
I'm sure all their dead acquaintances who exposed anomalies in shady government dealings for nothing but shitty pay in their unknown provincial media outlets are bitching too, because dead people really do stand up and protest a lot.
RE: Trillianes, Lim walk out - NiX - 11-29-2007
Actually sure she DOES really care about how people think of her. Notice how she ALWAYS addresses her critics? I'm pretty sure she was totally freaking out a while ago. Hahah.
RE: Trillianes, Lim walk out - Sforza - 11-29-2007
NiX Wrote:Hahah yeah the media is definitely annoying. They think that simply because they're in the media, they've got a free ticket to anywhere. It's like they think they're immune to collateral damage.
The media is also the only institution with the balls and the backing (sometimes) to stand up and call the government on corrupt practices. The fact that the government is responsible for killing a large number of journalists proves that they are doing something right, because otherwise the government would have resorted to lawsuits. Take a look at what the PCIJ have been doing, or even (I'll hate myself for saying this) brainless shows like Isumbong mo kay Tulfo. They still help.
So please don't generalize in calling the media annoying and irresponsible. However, I do agree that the giant mainstream media is annoying and irresponsible most of the time.
RE: Trillianes, Lim walk out - NiX - 11-29-2007
No no no. Like I was telling my dad during our VERY LONG trip home because of the traffic: As annoying as the media is, I'll admit that they show real dedication to their work, putting their asses on the line and all. And yes, in this country, they're practically the only thing left to police our sorry government, which makes the situation even sorrier. They're still annoying though.
As for this curfew tonight, it's obviously the administration's first preventive measure against possible uprisings that may start boiling tonight due to the whole fiasco earlier today.
Excellent points, Jake.
RE: Trillianes, Lim walk out - Lord_Leperman - 11-30-2007
For one there were other conspirators, not just those who participated in the peninsula hotel event. For Trillanes to actually have that show of force was with him during that time, things would have been planned from the very beginning, as there would be no chance of rebellious troops on the streets (and taking over a hotel) with firearms and wearing red armbands if it was a spontaneous event.
I'm sure he wasn't willing to start this fiasco unless he was reassured of some support, if not from the civilian population, then from the military. That speculation would justify the government's decision to announce the curfew, to actually get some work done in finding out who were really involved and made this whole event possible.
What I'm saying is, this was planned. Its not some spontaneous idealistic movement on his part for regime change. There are people responsible who did not directly participate in the actual event, but are nonetheless accountable for their actions in making the whole thing possible.
Also take note that the rebels did not have tanks, but they were able to just pop up in support of Trillanes and even had a specific destination planned, the Manila Peninsula. The government also alleged (during an official Malacaniang press conference, the same time when the curfew was announced) that some rebel soldiers were able to join up with the main rebel movement by disguising themselves in civilian clothing and showing up in support of Trillanes in full military fatigues and weaponry. As far as the government knows, these men can just as easily sneak out in civilian attire, blending in with media personnel just as what happened in the 2003 mutiny when some soldiers who participated in the said event eluded the custody of the military, which would justify such actions of the government in apprehending these individuals. If no curfew were in place, the police will have a harder time apprehending those responsible as they can escape in the dead of the night and go away Scott-free under the disguise of being civilians. Its just a preventive measure really.
As for the Jurisprudence issue, just because he received 11 million votes does not mean that he can simply walk out of court proceedings even if he is a Senator. I bring you back to the case of convicted rapist Congressman Romeo Jalosjos where he wasn't allowed to attend house hearings despite being re-elected as representative of Zambuanga del Norte, where the court ruled in this case that he remained in jail. Does that mean that we're giving special treatment to Trillanes in this case as he is freely able to walk out of court proceedings? No one is above the law, not even the lawmakers themselves and may I remind you of that.
As for the media, isn't it fair to only criticize them as well even if it is just such a small issue of complaining that they initially exaggerate news reports and calm down when the excitement over the whole mater is over? Calling standard police procedure as "Draconian" (Maria Ressa in ANC news) is one instance, when it was meant to ensure that security is established and fugitives be arrested. I have great respect for journalists and media personnel for uncovering secrets, deceptions and the like, but they do have their faults and its only fair to criticize them as much as they scrutinize every action of the government (I should have posted this earlier at the very least prevent misunderstandings).
Though, I'd attribute the end of yesterday's crisis to the media personnel who stayed behind in the hotel, as their presence (and willingness to stay, due to media zealotry or they just didn't hear the announcement to vacate the building. I don't know) allowed for the speedy distribution of Trillanes' walk-out announcement, as well as being indirectly the cause of his "for your safety" reason for ending the conflict, citing the lives of civilian personnel, including those of the media, are at great risk thus he ordered to stand down instead of making his stand.
For some good news: PNP chief Director General Avelino Razon announced that the curfew is only for November 30, 2007 lasting from 12-5AM. http://www.gmanews.tv/story/70776/PNP-chief-says-curfew-only-for-tonight
RE: Trillianes, Lim walk out - Sforza - 11-30-2007
Since the whole issue will be forgotten by Monday, I will henceforth reply in lolspeak
Lord_Leperman Wrote:For one there were other conspirators, not just those who participated in the peninsula hotel event. For Trillanes to actually have that show of force was with him during that time, things would have been planned from the very beginning, as there would be no chance of rebellious troops on the streets (and taking over a hotel) with firearms and wearing red armbands if it was a spontaneous event.
I'm sure he wasn't willing to start this fiasco unless he was reassured of some support, if not from the civilian population, then from the military. That speculation would justify the government's decision to announce the curfew, to actually get some work done in finding out who were really involved and made this whole event possible.
What I'm saying is, this was planned. Its not some spontaneous idealistic movement on his part for regime change. There are people responsible who did not directly participate in the actual event, but are nonetheless accountable for their actions in making the whole thing possible.
NONE OV US KNOE 4 SURE, UNLES THEY R HIDIN IN UR CLOSET
Quote:Also take note that the rebels did not have tanks, but they were able to just pop up in support of Trillanes and even had a specific destination planned, the Manila Peninsula. The government also alleged (during an official Malacaniang press conference, the same time when the curfew was announced) that some rebel soldiers were able to join up with the main rebel movement by disguising themselves in civilian clothing and showing up in support of Trillanes in full military fatigues and weaponry. As far as the government knows, these men can just as easily sneak out in civilian attire, blending in with media personnel just as what happened in the 2003 mutiny when some soldiers who participated in the said event eluded the custody of the military, which would justify such actions of the government in apprehending these individuals. If no curfew were in place, the police will have a harder time apprehending those responsible as they can escape in the dead of the night and go away Scott-free under the disguise of being civilians. Its just a preventive measure really.
BUT ITZ STILL PREVENTIN ME FRUM USIN MAH CONSTITUSHUN!
Quote:As for the Jurisprudence issue, just because he received 11 million votes does not mean that he can simply walk out of court proceedings even if he is a Senator. I bring you back to the case of convicted rapist Congressman Romeo Jalosjos where he wasn't allowed to attend house hearings despite being re-elected as representative of Zambuanga del Norte, where the court ruled in this case that he remained in jail. Does that mean that we're giving special treatment to Trillanes in this case as he is freely able to walk out of court proceedings? No one is above the law, not even the lawmakers themselves and may I remind you of that.
ALL OV US R IN UR SESHUN HALL, STEELIN UR TAXEZ
Quote:For some good news: PNP chief Director General Avelino Razon announced that the curfew is only for November 30, 2007 lasting from 12-5AM.
BAK 2 UR REGULARLY SCHEDULD PROGRAMMIN
RE: Trillianes, Lim walk out - NiX - 11-30-2007
-_- back to talking about anime?
RE: Trillianes, Lim walk out - Sforza - 11-30-2007
NiX Wrote:-_- back to talking about anime?
Shouldn't we be talking about AC though?
RE: Trillianes, Lim walk out - Lord_Leperman - 11-30-2007
The marines used an APC/IFV and pass it off for a tank?! They should develop ACs for shear intimidation.
On the other hand, if Trillanes did take over the hotel in an AC, I'd give my support to him mindlessly. I mean, what would that puny APC do to an AC? Heck, he could just OB to Malacaniang and just say "resign or die" with no problems.
RE: Trillianes, Lim walk out - Sforza - 11-30-2007
Lord_Leperman Wrote:The marines used an APC/IFV and pass it off for a tank?! They should develop ACs for shear intimidation.
On the other hand, if Trillanes did take over the hotel in an AC, I'd give my support to him mindlessly. I mean, what would that puny APC do to an AC? Heck, he could just OB to Malacaniang and just say "resign or die" with no problems.
Come to think of it, do you think 30 ACs would be able to beat the entire Philippine military? Assuming they have no part restrictions.
RE: Trillianes, Lim walk out - Grim - 11-30-2007
sforzando Wrote:Lord_Leperman Wrote:The marines used an APC/IFV and pass it off for a tank?! They should develop ACs for shear intimidation.
On the other hand, if Trillanes did take over the hotel in an AC, I'd give my support to him mindlessly. I mean, what would that puny APC do to an AC? Heck, he could just OB to Malacaniang and just say "resign or die" with no problems.
Come to think of it, do you think 30 ACs would be able to beat the entire Philippine military? Assuming they have no part restrictions.
I think one's enough, don't you? How many helicopters do we have? Fighter planes? Tanks? Those are the only ones that will make a dent really.
Where the hell have we taken this topic by the way.
RE: Trillianes, Lim walk out - clonezero - 11-30-2007
I say 10
with ample supply of extra ammo
they just have to watch the skies
falling planes does deal a good amount of damage
RE: Trillianes, Lim walk out - Serene - 11-30-2007
They they have Lord Leper man hired...
Ouch... Godzilla Anyone?
back to the topic:
Wala silang dala.
RE: Trillianes, Lim walk out - wanzerfreak - 11-30-2007
trillanes and his men had guns....but they were more or less passive.
if i were trillanes, i'd head straight to malacañang with a company of wanzers and risk harming civilians.....
instead, he chose to lock himself up along with his men in a couple of hotels and wait the government and media overreact.
RE: Trillianes, Lim walk out - pulse - 11-30-2007
i really hated it when he said that they surrendered because they were worried bout the safety innocent civilians... what b&llsh%t... and what a fag for not following through, acts like mister big shot but comes out short in the end... says hes not surrendering until GMA resigns... what a pussy